Revised Sept 27th 2025.
The dog training world is currently extremely polarized.
On the one hand, some trainers don’t hesitate to use aversive techniques to train their dogs (in other words, they will sometimes inflict pain or discomfort). On the other, we have trainers who will jump through hoops to avoid aversives – or won’t use it at all.
For simplicity, I will call the trainers-who-don’t-think-twice-about-sometimes-using-aversives coercive, and trainers-who-avoid-aversives-at-all-costs positive reinforcement trainers, or R+ . These are just shorthand labels, not rigid boxes.
Yes, I know, I know – that’s an oversimplification. There are many different training approaches out there and some people may feel these labels don’t capture the nuance of their work.
If that’s you, please know no offense is intended. I’m painting with big strokes here only for the sake of the discussion.
I recently ran a poll in the Do No Harm Dog Training group on Facebook, curious to know the backgrounds of the members – had they transitioned from coercive to R+ trainers? And their comments were revealing.
The ongoing evolution in the dog training world.
Here’s how I see it:

In the Do No Harm group, around 42 % of respondents in my poll said they’d crossed over from coercive to R+ training (so called cross-over trainers). 53% had never practiced coercive training but rather adopted R+ training straight away.

These data, of course, will likely shift over time – those numbers are simply a glimpse into the current composition of the group; or rather, the fraction of the group that chose to answer my poll in the last few days – and that may or may not be representative of the group as a whole, or the R+ community at large. The fraction of cross-over trainers in any given group is bound to depend for instance on which country the trainers come from, the social media groups they hang out in, the types of objectives they have for training their dogs, and when the poll was carried out, as well as how widely R+ approaches are currently shared within that niche.
Do I think that R+ trainers will replace coercive trainers altogether, sometime in the future? No. I think there’ll always be people who will use aversives in their training, even when shown alternatives, new research or dispelled myths (more on this below). However, I don’t think we’ve yet reached the equilibrium point – several of the people answering the poll had crossed over only within the last few months.
What about the coercive trainers, I hear you ask? Don’t people convert from R+ to coercive? Yes, I’m sure that they do. But since the particular group I polled was created to discuss R+ training techniques, I couldn’t get that data there – there weren’t enough coercive trainers in the sample.
In a way these data are rather uninteresting since they only give us this momentary glimpse of a corner of the R+ world, frozen in time. It’s not the number per se that I find interesting, it’s the fact that many people move from one approach to the other.
Switching from coercive to R+.
I became particularly interested in the stories people shared about how they came about switching from coercive to R+ dog training. Here’s some of what they shared about their coercive days and the decisions that led them to change:
- “Balanced was all there was back then” – Several people mentioned that when they started learning about animal training, the R+ alternative didn’t yet exist, or they hadn’t heard about it. In other words, becoming coercive was not an active choice.
- “I used the methods my dad taught me. They seemed to work and who was I to question him.” – It’s common to follow authority figures or family patterns. Without exposure to other role models, it can be hard to imagine doing things differently.
- “My mother insisted I hit my dog or he would be killed running off and doing stupid things. He nearly was killed many times, but hitting him didn’t help.” – This framing – that aversives are the only way to keep an animal safe – is common. Yet the side effects of using corrections are unpredictable, numerous and potentially extremely serious – and there are often multiple alternative ways of dealing with behavioural issues that do not require the use of aversives.
- “Grew up training my dogs the balanced way, because it was familiar and seemed logical.” – Culturally, many of us are taught to use carrots and sticks to change behaviour, although evidence suggests that the “stick” potentially does more harm than good. We can also change the animals’ behaviour by addressing their underlying mood state, their emotional reactions to stimuli, the antecedents or reinforcers of behaviour, adjusting the animal’s learning environment, and introducing changes gradually.
- “I spouted uneducated misinformation about positive reinforcement training since that’s what I’d been taught.” – There are many myths about R+ training in the coercive community (some of which are addressed below). Clinging to arguments against the “other side” can help resolve one’s own cognitive dissonance.
- “I used a choke chain, even though I disliked it” – Many people in the group expressed feeling uneasy about some coercive training methods, which often involve discomfort for the animal.
- “My dog was 2 and did not want to work with me… I realized that he became quite frightened when I approached him quickly.” – Several people told their heartbreaking stories of how their use of corrections negatively impacted their relationships with their dogs.
- “For the first time in my life, I had a dog that reacted really poorly to the training.” – Encountering a dog who didn’t respond well to aversives – to the point of snapping at their trainer – was, for many, the moment they started looking for alternatives.
- “Never knew there was anything else.” – If we’re never exposed to alternatives, we can’t choose them. This, to me, highlights the importance of sharing success stories, videos and research findings so people can see R+ methods in action.
- “When I came across force-free methods I quickly abandoned other training methods” – Many people will take the leap the moment they realize that there is an alternative. Which, again, leads us back to the importance of showcasing success stories, dispelling myths and getting the word out.
- “I came across a TV show showing force-free methods. It felt like the veil had been lifted & there was no going back.” – Many people attested to stumbling on R+ training and never looking back – through books, videos, courses, and friends. This, to me, illustrates the importance of spreading the word on multiple fronts – some people prefer books, some videos, and others conversations with friends.
- “I left to the accusation that I was too soft to train a dog, and he would end up terrible. But he didn’t.” – Leaving a well-known community can lead to snarky comments. A welcoming R+ community can ease that transition for newcomers. That transition is not just about dogs’ wellbeing – it’s very much also about peoples’.
- “I didn’t know enough to notice the subtle appeasement and stress signals in my previous dogs” – Several people noted that only after crossing over did they recognize subtle signs of stress in their dogs. Not all body language is obvious.
- “I wish I knew what I know now when she was a puppy, because she would have been a different dog, but all I can do is move forward with her and thank the universe for her resilience.” – Some respondents mentioned feeling guilt about past training choices. Learning from those experiences can be painful but also formative.
Wiser people than I have offered words of consolation to anyone feeling regret. Sharing a powerful poem that helped me come to peace with my own previous choices:
I have been a thousand different women
– Emory Hall
make peace
with all the women
you once were.
lay flowers at their feet.
offer them incense
and honey
and forgiveness.
honor them
and give them your silence.
listen.
bless them
and let them be.
for they are the bones
of the temple
you sit in now.
for they are
the rivers
of wisdom
leading you toward
the sea.
Before we leave this section, back to the scenario of R+ trainers also very likely sometimes converting to coercive approaches. I would guess that the main reason for doing so would be the perception that the R+ approach isn’t effective, or that there’s too much work involved. And to the latter yes, I would agree – resolving unwanted behaviour without using aversives may in some cases take more time and commitment. Not to mention that it requires skill: R+ training concepts may be simple to understand in theory, but difficult to carry out in practice. What I’m saying is that you need education to become a skilled R+-trainer. Finding good teachers can be difficult, and so people might give up. Especially if they were going at it on their own.
As many of my students attest, it’s lonely being the only R+ trainer in your village/stable/organization. Luckily like-minded people can be found in many online groups!
Another reason why people may abandon the R+ approach is because they cave in response to the onslaught of misinformation and myths related to positive reinforcement training.
The myths of positive reinforcement training.
Finally, I’d like to address some common myths about R+ training that I’ve heard.
One misconception is that in the R+ equivalent to coercive training, you would simply replace a well-timed correction with chucking a meatball at the dog, who would then immediately stop doing whatever it is they were doing.
And on that I completely agree: this approach is doomed to fail.
But it’s also based on a fundamental misunderstanding. As a general rule, and unlike when using aversives, R+ trainers don’t teach in the context where the unwanted behaviour occurs.
They teach outside of the context, and then generalize.
For instance, let’s say the dog excitedly jumps at grandma when she visits, and nearly knocks her over. Contrary to what many coercive trainers seem to suggest, R+ trainers wouldn’t solve this by waving a meatball in the dog’s face as the front paws connect with her shoulders.
They would start training a week before her visit, by for instance teaching an incompatible behaviour, such as standing with all four paws on a mat. Then they put the behaviour on cue, so that when they say “mat”, the dog enthusiastically runs over to the mat, looking expectantly for the meatball. They might gradually make it more difficult by asking for the behaviour in the presence of familiar people – and then unfamiliar people, until finally, after many many successful repetitions, when grandma comes, they give the cue “mat” – and the dog eagerly bounces to the mat to receive their meatball.
And if the trainer feels that the training isn’t quite there yet when grandma arrives, they will perhaps put the dog in another room or behind a barrier until they have calmed down and can say hello without going nuts. That’s another difference: in R+ training, we don’t set the animal up to fail just so we can administer a correction that they can learn from – we manage the environment to avoid the animal ever having the opportunity of practicing the unwanted behaviour.
In short, R+ lives in a completely different paradigm than training-using-aversives.
One frequently repeated claim is “Positive reinforcement isn’t effective when recalling hunting dogs off wildlife”. I’ve heard this one a number of times, including in a recent paper whose claims I believe deserve careful scrutiny (now going under the name of “the banana-study” in R+ circles). I point out the many fallacies of the study in nerdy detail, and link to multiple R+ trainers making a living out of helping their clients successfully in those precise situations, here. I also discuss the problem of shocking dogs in Norway to render them “sheep-proof” here.
… Just out of curiosity… what other examples of myths and misinformation have you seen related to R+ training?
What about the grey areas?
In this post I’ve used very broad labels (and I illustrated them in black and white, at that!) for clarity, but real-world training is far more nuanced. There are many shades of grey between the two extremes.
Even in my definitions, there’s room for the occasional use of aversives in the “R+” group. I defined them as trainers-who-avoid-aversives-at-all-costs, not trainers-who-don’t-use-aversives. Among R+ trainers, you’ll find both kinds. I discuss situations in which some of these R+ trainers would use aversives here and here.
Likewise, in the coercive group – here defined as trainers-who-don’t-think-twice-about-sometimes-using-aversives – you’ll find that some are highly skilled at using R+ techniques – and some less so.
I believe dogs benefit when people develop more skill with R+ methods and reduce their reliance on aversives wherever possible – to me, the animal’s overall welfare has the highest priority.
This means also recognizing the unintentional (often unrecognized) aversives that we might expose the animal to.
What the R+ community can do
Coercive trainers love their dogs, and they’re doing the best they can with the information they have available. I’m not saying this to be patronizing – I’ve simply noticed that some R+ trainers forget how much learning and unlearning is involved in making a switch.
Here are some ways the R+ community might help:
- Share information – in multiple formats (videos, courses, blog posts, books, pamphlets). Some coercive trainers haven’t heard of alternative approaches and may be open to learning. Use memes!
- Dispel myths. One common barrier to switching is the belief that R+ doesn’t work. Why not make a series of blog posts dispelling those myths, one by one (and I’ll gladly pass that baton to someone else since I’m not a dog trainer – and I think video evidence is needed)..?
- Be kind when discussing training with others. Curiosity invites dialogue; hostility makes people defensive. Remember they may face backlash from peers when changing, so a welcoming community can make a big difference.
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20 replies on “From coercive to R+”
Very interesting replies indeed! I use R+ methods 95% of the time. But when it comes to something totally unacceptable, like biting, attacking another dog or person i have no problem yelling, kicking or yanking the aggressive dog away in that moment. Because lets face it in those moments often nothing else works. Your not going to get a dogs attention in the middle of their fear or aggressive behavior. This of course is an extreme example, but I am often faced with people who do nothing when their dogs invade my space or the space of one of my dogs. I also have one of 3 dogs who constantly attacks the senior deaf dog out of jealousy. Before you go into judging, yes he gets plenty of alone time with me so there shouldn’t be any need to be jealous, but he just is! So what happens is that he hast to be somewhat seperated. Which, of course, is an aversive way to handle it, and when he is in the same room with us, he has to wear the leash so I have a way to control his random attacks that sometimes occur while the old guy is sleeping.
I don’t hit, but I pull him away and tie him up to the door knob.
I tried working with several trainers on this, but R+ plus methods didn’t do anything and their aversive methods were to punishing or upsetting.
I think it’s up to each of us to find a happy, medium and use as much are plus as possible, but not to the point where the situation becomes unmanageable or dangerous. I just want to point out that I have work with many dogs that have been given up by their owners because of lack of control, dogs that have already been hit or managed in appropriately. So, being aggressive to them is not always the right thing, but we can tone down the aversiveness that we put out to them, and to me, having a leash or having them in a controlled space in some manner is the best way. Its better to have a quick correction and gain their attention than a long term drawn out stressful situation of trying to retrain with a method that the dog ignores.
But I agree that preparing and using R+ plus is always the best option and it does take time and thought.
Those grey areas are always difficult I think – but clearly in dangerous situations we need to step in and do emergency management, to me that goes without saying! Some questions I would then ask is: How can I avoid this happening again? Are there needs that aren’t being met? and are there any side effects from what just happened that need mitigation?
I would like to say as someone who started in the way you are describing as balanced, who went to radical R+ for about 8 years and who is now less aversive than she used to be that this blog post has some very serious flaws.
First is the idea that anyone who moved back to the use of SOME aversives is “resorting” to anything. This is perhaps the most obnoxious myth we have in the world of dog training. I never “resort” to an aversive any more than I “resort” to using rewards to reinforce desired behaviours.
Next is the idea that those who eschew the use of aversives are somehow or another better than those who choose to use aversives. We are neither better nor worse when we choose a training paradigm. When I choose to use an aversive, I do so thoughtfully and with consideration for the overall welfare of the dog. I am perfectly able to train a dog to walk on a loose leash, but when I had a client whose dog was prone to bolting, and she had wrist surgery, I explored options for her that would allow her to get her dog safely from her home to her car, from her car to the trail head, and back again, and in the end, we chose a collar that caused pain if the dog were to bolt. In one session, gently taught, the dog learned that pressure on the collar would cause discomfort and that he could avoid that by not bolting. And yes…I did say gently. We applied gentle pressure on the dog’s collar and allowed him to learn that he could release the collar by backing off on it. The dog’s behaviour was curiosity and experimentation, not bolting or screaming in pain and he figured out that he controlled the aversive. His welfare was improved because he could get out for his daily exercise and his person’s welfare was improved because she did not have to live with a dog who was not coping with a shortage of exercise, and furthermore she was not risking having to repeat a painful and very risky surgery because she was being re-injured. Could she have simply boarded the dog for 12 weeks to avoid this issue? Sure…but is taking the dog out of his home for three months better welfare than what we chose to do? I don’t think so.
Thirdly, you are increasing the divide by this post. Giving people advice on how to speak kindly to those who are “resorting” to using pain is condescending and disrespectful. I have over 30 years experience working as a behaviour consultant and I have helped thousands of dogs. I am not looking for someone who is not using aversives to speak kindly to me! I am lookng for people who are well educated in the field to have meaningful discussions about how we train and why we choose to train the way we do. I left the radical R+ camp in the early 2000s because there were times when fast results were more important to the animal’s wellbeing than avoiding all aversives in my opinion.
Finally, look very carefully in the mirror. Perhaps the biggest lesson for me when I was a solely R+ trainer was that without realizing it I was using aversives all the time. I have seen many, many, many trainers who get on their soap boxes, and tell me how R+ they are, and then do things such asintentionally closing the door on the dog’s nose when the dog tries to leave the house uninvited, not realizing that closing the door in that way is highly aversive and unpleasant. And what about the coercive use of food? How often have we seen a veterinarian claim to be force free or fear free offering the dog food in order to get them to do something that the animal is not trained for and is not willing to do. WE repeatedly face animals with the choice between doing the thing they don’t want to do, or giving up the delicious treat. This is highly aversive and not particularly good R+ practice, and honestly, I see so much of this in the training world it makes me cringe.
In my opinion, we weent down the wrong rabbit hole in the mid nineties when we were first given the gift of learning theory in animal training. We tried to distill this down to “these tools and practices are safe and these ones are dangerous”. Instead we should have looked at one welfare. We should have looked at distress in the learner. I worked with a dog this afternoon who is a bit of a bull in a china shop. He got underfoot and I accidentally stepped on his foot when he crossed in front of me. He helped, I said sorry and then we moved on…but he gave me wider berth. I used an aversive, inadvertently, and he was not traumatized. LIke this dog, we need to move on from the tool wars and the divisions that are being created when we post things like this. If you really want to build bridges in the training world, stop being patient with people who are not as enlightened as you are and ask the dog; how is this relationship for you? And if the dog, like my canine friend this afternoon tells you that he is fine with things, then believe him and ask the handler what they know. If you are so gung ho that what you have to teach is of value, try being equally gung ho about learning from those you are looking to teach. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I agree – the thoughtful, reasoned use of aversives, as in the example you gave, can enhance the well-being of dog and owner. Extremism is unhelpful; kindness is essential and some dogs need clearer information on which to base their behaviour choices so that they can live their best lives.
Hi Sue, and thank you for your insightful comment. I will have to take some time to digest what you just wrote – I realize I shall have to revise parts of this post – if only not to sound condescending and not to increase the division. I thought I was simplifying things by talking about two main camps but the nuance, the grey areas (or perhaps rather the caleidoscope of colour) got lost. The “balanced trainer” I was envisioning is different from what you describe, and I will rephrase. Not working hands-on myself with animals, I’m used to learning from my students.
Hi again – I just updated the post, reducing the preachy, condescending tone (which was very obvious after you pointed it out) – and also adding a new section- “what about the grey areas?”. Again, thank you so much for taking the time to voice your concerns, I truly appreciate it.
“Balanced trainers love their dogs, and they’re doing the best they can with the information they have available.” That is a very optimistic and generous conclusion. Unless they are living under a rock most trainers are only too aware that there are alternative methods. Tens of thousands know they could train force free, the education is freely available in many formats, but they see no problem with causing dogs pain and fear. There are many fancy covers to hide prong and shock collars on the market, that suggests a lot of shame
Judging from the comments of the many cross-over trainers who commented on my poll, many people that come into dog training don’t hear about it. We hear about it, so we assume that they do too. They don’t. Or many don’t. I think for many it’s as simple as that. Then other things come into play, too.
Oooouuuuffffff. I learned from a young age that dogs had to listen and we had to make sure they did. I was also made to listen and obey from a very young age. The trauma induced cPTSD in me.
I did as I was told, training with corrections and punishment, then began apprenticeships with trainers who also used punitive methods in my early twenties. Corrections, the equipment and the philosophy was harsh and after a year or so I walked away from training.
I continued to have dogs in my life and the training I did was the bare minimum, I started to just enjoy my dogs. Then I had two children and learned about raising little ones with kindness, compassion, lots of acceptance, respect and enormous amunts of love.
What an amazing gift this has been. I then met kind people, who treated their dogs like the sentient beings that are, deserving what all creatures deserve, kindness, compassion, acceptance, respect and a lot of love.
I continued over the past 15 years to study and learn from kind, conscientious, ethical teachers, Karolina Westlund is one of them. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with so many.
You’re welcome, Faith. <3
Wow, this makes a really strong point. I have been aware of the divisive arguments between balanced and force free trainers and have tried to stay out of the fight, but you’ve made me think that actually i should be doing more to spread the word, rather than merely feeling ‘right’ that ‘force free’ training is the best path to tread. Thank you for getting me to think differently.
Glad you got inspired, Janet! 🙂
One of the myths which comes up a lot from the ‘balanced’ community is that R+ trainers ‘ignore’ bad behaviour. Of course, we don’t. WE just remove the animal from the circumstance of the behaviour and address the skills it needs in an easier, safer situation. But it appears to people who do not understand as though you are ‘letting them get away with it’. Of course if we transpose the dog’s response to that of an overwrought human, we would think nothing of taking someone away from an event they found upsetting or overwhelming.
Oh, yes – great example! 🙂
That analogy using grandma’s visit really nails it. My partner’s parents are visiting in October, and one of them uses a clutch to aid her walk. I’ve already started training my dog to be comfortable around the clutch and gentle around someone using it.
In the past without any knowledge of R+ training methodology, I would have thrown her into the deep end and expected her to sink or swim. Getting frustrated when she couldn’t live up to expectations.
As a R+ trainer now, I’ve learned never to assume a dog “just knows” how to handle new situations. Instead, it’s about setting them up for success—like in my case, assuming my dog doesn’t know what a clutch is and preparing her ahead of time. The result? She’s now relaxed and confident walking right next to it.
Thanks for sharing that story, Jason! Great to hear that you’ve prepared your dog so well. 🙂
I’m an experienced dog owner who has successfully force-free trained guardian & working breeds eg GSD, Rottweiler. I had my current German Shepherd from 8 weeks old. She never stopped ‘puppy’ biting even though I truly tried every force-free method under the sun and consulted a professional vet behaviourist. She bit mainly me but also a (female) force-free trainer who tried to help, my brother and my husband. I had holes in my clothes and permanently bruised arms. She was sweet, cuddly and affectionate when in the house, where she eventually but less, but I became concerned she would injure me badly outside because she used to run at me, jump and bite my arms when off lead even in the garden, and bite my legs and arms when on lead, especially if I couldn’t allow her to do as she wanted eg chase livestock. I had always treated her with kindness and done lots of force-free training of the sort recommended by professional force-free trainer behaviourists, one of them well known. After 18 months I was desperate and, on the advice of a ‘balanced’ trainer, I used a slip lead to hold her away from me when she started biting. This calmed her down quickly and, after maybe 2 weeks, she stopped biting me. It was apparently no longer rewarding for her. We have a beautiful bond and she is a joyful, playful, affectionate, well behaved dog. I truly don’t know what else I could have done. I would welcome polite comments.
To me, that sorts under “jumping through hoops to avoid using punishment” 🙂
I realize that I have to revise the blog post a bit to account for the difference between using the least inhibitive approach, and yet functionally effective approach (LIFE) as opposed to reaching for an aversive tool without second thought. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1558787823001430
No one has replied to my comment. Having consulted high-profile, force-free experts and exhausted all possibilities that I – and they – knew of over the course of 18 months, I would love to know what other force-free trainers think I could have done.
Hi Freda, I did answer… if perhaps not with a list of all the things you might have tried. 😉 But it’s really difficult to give advice without actually seeing the context, and a detailed analysis of what’s going on and why. Difficult problems require solutions tailored to the particular individual involved.