{"id":7604,"date":"2024-09-19T07:04:25","date_gmt":"2024-09-19T05:04:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/?p=7604"},"modified":"2024-12-30T21:54:43","modified_gmt":"2024-12-30T20:54:43","slug":"shock-collar-critique","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/shock-collar-critique\/","title":{"rendered":"A critique of the &#8220;banana&#8221; shock collar study"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I find the latest scientific contribution on the issue of shock collars to be frustrating \u2013 even outrageous.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lots of problematic articles are published every day, but this one potentially has far-reaching consequences, and so I feel a lengthy, occasionally nerdy and also somewhat rambling blog post is in order.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I won\u2019t describe <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mdpi.com\/2076-2615\/14\/18\/2632?\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">the paper<\/a> down to a T, but lift specific topics that I take issue with, so I encourage you to skim it before reading this post \u2013 or not\u2026 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In short, the authors found that teaching dogs to refrain from chasing a fast-moving lure was effective when shock-collars were used, however attempting to train the behaviour in a slightly shorter time frame using \u201cfood rewards\u201d (50 minutes as opposed to 60 for the shocked dogs) was essentially useless. They also saw no signs of distress in the shocked dogs, except that all of them yelped in pain at some point.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m paraphrasing here, obviously.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I\u2019m using quotation marks to draw your attention to the fact that I\u2019m not quite sure that they actually ever used those \u201cfood rewards\u201d as reinforcement for correct behaviour in those treatment groups \u2013 the training setup was absolutely bananas, if you\u2019ll pardon the pun (that last bit will make sense in a moment).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<pre class=\"wp-block-preformatted\">TL;DR? Here are the main points of this blog post:\n\n- The \u201cfood-reward\u201d training was a travesty with a multitude of problems (e.g. dubious conditioning, unwanted behaviour reinforced, no shaping, no assessment of engagement, no calibration of the reward value, adding distractions and distance way too soon, not using a marker, etc etc); no learning occurred\n\n- The food-reward dogs got less training time than the shocked dogs\n\n- The type of training needed to be successful in the tests was not in the protocol for the food-reward dogs\n\n- The \u201cwelfare measures\u201d were inadequate and possibly confounded\n\n- Generalized fear learning occurred in the shocked dogs, a potential concern for their long-term wellbeing\n\n- There was conflict of interest: shock-collar trainers training the \u201cfood-reward\u201d dogs\n\n- The authors conclude that shock collars may occasionally save lives without considering the risks of shock collars <em>costing<\/em> lives, which I suspect is on a different order of magnitude\n\n- The problems are serious enough to warrant retraction of the paper<\/pre>\n\n\n\n<p>We\u2019ll get to my detailed objections in a minute, but first off: I think the chosen approach, comparing several treatment groups, where essentially the only difference in training set-up is whether dogs receive a shock for doing the wrong behaviour, or a treat for doing the correct behaviour, is flawed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s based on the proud tradition from other scientific fields such as biomedicine, whereby you compare two different treatment options, subjecting one group to treatment A and the other to treatment B, keeping all other variables identical in the two groups. And so, the theory goes, you can be sure that any differences between the groups will be a result of different effects of the two treatments, A or B, and not some other random factor such as the weather.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/Treatment-A-B-1-scaled.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"541\" src=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/Treatment-A-B-1-1024x541.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7606\" srcset=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/Treatment-A-B-1-1024x541.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/Treatment-A-B-1-300x159.jpg 300w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/Treatment-A-B-1-768x406.jpg 768w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/Treatment-A-B-1-1536x812.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/Treatment-A-B-1-2048x1083.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Typically, a biomedical study involves genetically identical rodents housed under standardized conditions, so that presumably, the only difference between the two study groups is which research treatment option (A or B) they\u2019ve been given.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p>The problem is that <em>training using aversives<\/em> versus<em> reward-based training <\/em>(what I\u2019ll refer to as R+ training throughout this post<em>) <\/em>live in completely different universes. The difference doesn\u2019t simply boil down to the moment the consequence is delivered, whether that\u2019s appetitive or aversive, but there\u2019s large differences in a multitude of other areas as well. These two vastly different approaches simply don\u2019t lend themselves to the standard recipe for comparing two treatment options, the keep-everything-identical-except-the-variable-under-study-approach, what\u2019s referred to as <em>standardization<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In other words, this paper is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There were also many many many other problems with this paper. I\u2019ll touch on the more egregious ones below.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Let\u2019s grab the bull by the horn and look at the \u201cfood reward\u201d treatments.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The \u201cFood reward\u201d training.<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>As far as I can tell, after allowing the dogs to spend up to 40 minutes chasing a lure, on the following day:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>They taught the dogs that every five seconds, a treat would be dropped into a bowl. This means that the dogs learned that treats would occur entirely predictably, rhythmically. The passage of time was the predictor of treats appearing.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They also said the word \u201cbanana\u201d before dropping each treat, intending to teach the animal that the word was in fact the predictor of the treat appearing.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Although they did the conditioning 120 times over the course of 20 minutes, I\u2019d say that we don\u2019t really know whether the dogs conditioned to the word \u201cbanana\u201d or the fact that they appeared rhythmically, in which case \u201cbanana\u201d would be meaningless noise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Another concern would be that depending on the size of the treat (which wasn\u2019t stated), the dogs might start satiating, at which point receiving more treats might in fact be aversive rather than pleasant. 120 identical treats in 20 minutes is potentially too much, or too boring. It wasn\u2019t stated whether the dogs kept munching away or stopped engaging.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In short, this is not how most savvy positive reinforcement trainers would go about conditioning a stimulus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Note that they\u2019re not doing the <em>type <\/em>of conditioning that\u2019s typically done in most standard R+ training, where the conditioned stimulus is to be used as a <em>marker for correct behaviour, <\/em>followed by a treat; both of these being in the Consequence part of the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Three-term_contingency\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">ABC contingency<\/a> (Antecedent-Behaviour-Consequence).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rather, the word \u201cbanana\u201d was in subsequent training used as if it were an established Antecedent (that is, not as a consequence of correct behaviour, but as a recall cue).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"940\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7607\" srcset=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image.png 940w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-300x125.png 300w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-768x320.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 940px) 100vw, 940px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Trainers were stationary on one side of a field, and on the other side a lure was deployed in a course. The set-up was intended to teach the dogs to respond to the cue \u201cbanana\u201d as the dogs crossed the halfway mark (the red vertical line)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>As the dog was running away from the handler towards the same lure that he had chased the day before:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>They waited until the dog was halfway to the lure course, 23 meters away from the trainer, and then uttered \u201cbanana\u201d. It\u2019s unclear from the paper whether the word was spoken (which the animal might hardly have heard at that distance) or shouted (in which case the animal would probably hear it, but the stimulus\u2019 pitch and timbre would presumably have changed profoundly from the conditioning session earlier that same day, and that novel sound would thus be less well conditioned, if at all).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They then immediately dropped a treat into the bowl. Not as a reinforcer, mind you, the animal is still running away (or perhaps skidding across the ground as he\u2019s attempting to come to a halt after hearing &#8220;banana&#8221;..?). This occurs while we\u2019re still in the antecedent phase \u2013 we might call that treat a bribe, or a food lure, maybe \u2013 if the animal even sees it.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>If the dog returned to the handler, he would get the treat; if he kept running, they would repeat \u201cbanana\u201d (and I assume also drop another treat in the bowl, although this wasn\u2019t stated explicitly for both \u201cfood reward\u201d groups) every five seconds for up to two minutes. In other words, the dog might be exposed to several instances of \u201cbanana\u201d-and-treat-dropping and ignore it \u2013 essentially being exposed to extinction trials.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The observant reader will notice that the setup seems to imply that if the dog ignored the first 20 \u201cbanana\u201d and responded to the 21<sup>st<\/sup>, he would get 21 treats. And conversely, if he responded to the first \u201cbanana\u201d, he\u2019d get one treat. In other words, the dogs were theoretically potentially reinforced for selectively ignoring the recall for a time (or perhaps the repetitive &#8220;banana&#8221; can be construed as a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.clickertraining.com\/the-keep-going-signal\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">keep-going-signal<\/a>, with the altered sound of the last few treats falling on top of other treats in the bowl being the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.connectedpaws.net\/en\/post\/dog-training-101-continuation-marker-vs-terminal-marker\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">terminal marker<\/a>) and if so we might hypothetically expect <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Matching_law\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Matching Law<\/a> to kick in at some point: since waiting for the 21<sup>st<\/sup> \u201cbanana\u201d pays off 21 times better than responding to the first one, we\u2019d expect the animal to allocate his behaviour accordingly (21 to 1; not that perfect Matching occurs that often, but just for the sake of argument let\u2019s imagine for a moment that it does).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So in theory, the dogs could merrily chase the lure for minutes on end while the trainer kept shouting \u201cbanana\u201d at the other end of the field, and then when they started getting tired they might saunter over to collect a huge pile of treats right before the active 2-minute session ended.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What a party! Those dogs would surely have a field day! And after a few minutes rest, the whole circus would start again \u2013 this was repeated five times within each of the five sessions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I don\u2019t know about you, but I find imagining this hypothetical scenario absolutely hilarious \u2013 if indeed I\u2019m reading the study correctly and they did drop treats after each and every \u201cbanana\u201d regardless of the dogs&#8217; behaviour.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/Matching-Law-Copy.gif\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1047\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/Matching-Law-Copy.gif\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7633\"\/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>How Matching Law could theoretically play out. Though in all fairness, I doubt that this happened (although fatigue would perhaps diminish the value of continued chasing, and the growing pile of treats would increase the value of returning to the trainer\u2026)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Some other thoughts on the training:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>I\u2019m assuming that by the time the dog was 23 meters from the trainer, they would be fully committed, running at full speed in anticipation of chasing the lure. It\u2019s not surprising that they didn\u2019t pay attention to the \u201cbanana\u201d cues \u2013 that cue is competing with a very strong distraction.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cBanana\u201d is apparently used as an intended recall cue, not a marker, attempting to rely on a <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pavlovian-instrumental_transfer\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Pavlovian-Instrumental Transfer<\/a> \u2013 which seemingly doesn\u2019t occur.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Again, the word \u201cbanana\u201d is uttered as the dog is galloping away from the trainer. Due to the lack of previous learning that \u201cbanana\u201d is an intended antecedent for \u201crun-to-me-and-get-food\u201d, the animal might rather, through the process of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/publication\/341591660_Schedule-Induced_Behavior\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">induction<\/a>, learn the behaviour chain consisting of \u201crun-away-from-me-and-you\u2019ll-hear-the-recall-cue-so-you-can-run-to-me-and-get-food\u201d. In other words, the running-away behaviour might theoretically be reinforced; rather than an antecedent, the intended recall cue can be construed as a marker; a conditioned reinforcer \u2013 a consequence of the unwanted behaviour of running away. &nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>It\u2019s not reported how often the dogs actually got any food, if indeed it served as a reinforcer at all. This is one of the reasons why I hesitate to call this debacle a positive reinforcement procedure: if the animals did not show desired behaviour (and as far as I can tell many of them did not!) they were not exposed to the reinforcement from which they could learn.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>It may be blindingly obvious but still needs to be stated: which behaviour is being reinforced? Yes, chasing the lure: chasing is self-reinforcing. Also a reason why I\u2019m hesitant to call this a positive reinforcement procedure: the correct behaviour wasn\u2019t reinforced (in the sense that it was shown more intensely or frequently).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The dog was familiar with the environment and had been allowed to chase the lure previously, so previous learning involved \u201cin-this-fun-place-I-get-to-chase-things-woohooo!\u201d Why is this a problem? Because it\u2019s clearly not a learning environment. It\u2019s a place we should only go to once we\u2019d done enough training in a distraction-free environment to be reasonably convinced that the animal would choose <em>not<\/em> to chase the lure.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Interestingly, the authors write that the conditioning of the food reward groups was akin to an emergency recall protocol \u2013 and then they provide three references. One of those references being what is to me a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whole-dog-journal.com\/training\/leash_training\/training-your-dog-to-execute-an-extremely-fast-reliable-recall\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">great protocol described by Pat Miller<\/a>, a second the FAQ section of Electronic Collar Manufacturers Association (!!) where I find nothing on the topic of emergency recalls, and the third another <a href=\"https:\/\/spca.bc.ca\/news\/emergency-recall\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">valid protocol by Saundra Clow<\/a>. It\u2019s bewildering and misleading that they refer to these two great protocols without following them in the slightest, as far as I can tell.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>My main concern with this approach is the assumption that the animal will immediately understand that the word \u201cbanana\u201d learned in a different context now suddenly means that he should turn around and run over 23 meters to the handler to receive the treats, although this had never been practiced. And not only that, but he should also abort his hunting mission when he had already committed to it (and some of these dogs were hunting or herding breeds \u2013 or young animals with presumably low impulse control, making that particular task all the more difficult). Also, the trainer assumes that the value of the food treat back in the bowl will trump the value of chasing a lure \u2013 in an animal who was specifically selected on day one for showing an affinity for chasing lures! The authors didn\u2019t confirm that the food treats used were actually valuable when pitted against something as interesting as chasing lures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To be clear, this is not training \u2013 it is expecting learning to somehow have already taken place.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This set-up is nothing short of ludicrous &#8211; I do not know a single skilled R+-trainer who would train this way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">How one might train a recall using positive reinforcement<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>Here\u2019s some of my thoughts on what skilled R+ trainers might do differently (and for full disclosure, I don\u2019t consider myself a skilled trainer: I lack the practical experience although I\u2019ve learned from countless excellent trainers and understand \u2013 and <a href=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/courses-and-lectures\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">teach<\/a> \u2013 the theory):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>If skilled R+ trainers were to condition \u201cbanana\u201d as an intended antecedent rather than a marker (or perhaps we might frame it as a <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Classical_conditioning\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">respondent<\/a> rather than <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Operant_conditioning\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">operant<\/a> approach \u2013 which is totally valid by the way!), my guess is that they would probably also do it at least 120 times, but in many different scenarios and contexts \u2013 and extended over considerable time, not during one single 20 minute-interval but perhaps in short sessions over multiple days (to allow sleep to help with memory consolidation). It takes many repetitions in many contexts for this association to generalize to the point where it will be useful in a highly distracting context such as in the presence of a moving lure. With this approach, we\u2019d ensure that that PIT (Pavlovian-Instrumental Transfer) actually occurs, and the dog would come running in anticipation when hearing \u201cbanana\u201d.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>R+ trainers wouldn\u2019t be disengaged and allow the dog to roam around the pen but rather engage directly with the dog, including perhaps eye contact, praise, and play to build rapport.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They wouldn\u2019t start making it difficult for the animal (such as adding distance or distractions) before they got some solid indication that the animal had learned the association between hearing \u201cbanana\u201d and fabulous things happening. &nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They would look at the animal\u2019s body language to assess engagement, and likely do a preference test to ensure that they found something the animal really liked \u2013 not take the guardian\u2019s word for it.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They would use the food mainly as a reinforcer (Consequence) rather than a bribe or food lure (Antecedent) &nbsp;\u2013 they wouldn\u2019t present it until after the animal had performed the correct behaviour, which is to return to the handler.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They might consider using some other reinforcer than food, such as a flirt pole or squeaky toy, to ensure that the animal\u2019s hunting motivation gets an outlet. Some animals might not be reinforced by food when in the mood for chasing lures, but they might gladly attack a furry-or-squeaky-thing-on-a-stick.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/which-reinforcer-can-compete-with-the-furry-moving-thing.png-scaled.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"591\" src=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/which-reinforcer-can-compete-with-the-furry-moving-thing.png-1024x591.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7610\" srcset=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/which-reinforcer-can-compete-with-the-furry-moving-thing.png-1024x591.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/which-reinforcer-can-compete-with-the-furry-moving-thing.png-300x173.jpg 300w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/which-reinforcer-can-compete-with-the-furry-moving-thing.png-768x444.jpg 768w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/which-reinforcer-can-compete-with-the-furry-moving-thing.png-1536x887.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/which-reinforcer-can-compete-with-the-furry-moving-thing.png-2048x1183.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Which reinforcer can compete with the moving lure? That\u2019s highly individual, so we\u2019ll need to explore it on a case-by-case basis.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>They would bring in the Matching Law: the value of the reinforcer being matched to the difficulty of the task (for instance, whether the distracting lure were moving would perhaps warrant reinforcers of higher value, just as expecting the dog to run 23 meters might warrant a higher-value reinforcer than if the distance were 2 meters).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They would use a marker signal different from the recall cue to help pinpoint to the animal the moment the correct decision is done, such as turning the head towards the trainer.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They wouldn\u2019t wait until the dog was fully committed and pelting towards the lure at full speed but give the recall cue earlier in the predatory motor sequence, such as when the dog is eyeing the lure and thinking about engaging.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They absolutely would <em>not <\/em>allow the animal to experience the self-reinforcing effects of actually chasing the moving lure whilst ignoring the recall cue.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The authors discuss whether turning off the lure if the food-reward dogs interacted with it would constitute negative punishment: I\u2019d wager that most R+ trainers wouldn\u2019t set up the training so that animals ever were allowed to interact with the moving lure (unless it&#8217;s used as a Premack reinforcer, see below). They\u2019d only expose the animal to the moving lure once the recall behaviour was solidly trained and proofed in multiple less demanding scenarios.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Some other thoughts on what skilled trainers might do:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>They would make the task incrementally more difficult, not throw the animal in at the proverbial deep end of the pool. They would perhaps start teaching the animal to recall away from nearby boring things, then nearby boring things that move, then nearby fun things, then nearby fun things that move, and so on and so forth until the animal had built the skill to be able to recall away from moving lures when locked on it at full speed in the opposite direction from the handler, who is 23 meters away.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They might even use the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Premack%27s_principle\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Premack Principle<\/a> to teach a solid recall: \u201cif you come to me when I call you, I will then send you out to chase the thing that you find so interesting\u201d.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>If things were not working, they would change <strong>their<\/strong> behaviour rather than keep repeating the same thing and expecting the animal to change <strong>his<\/strong> behaviour. They wouldn\u2019t keep saying (or shouting) \u201cbanana\u201d every five seconds and chucking food in a bowl while the animal was busy blissfully chasing the lure 30-odd meters away for 50 minutes.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Most importantly, a skilled trainer would train <em>for<\/em> the situation \u2013 not <em>in<\/em> the situation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See why it\u2019s impossible to treat all animals in a research study involving the study of the efficiency of positive reinforcement in the same way? They are not genetically identical, unlike those inbred rodents! They have different personalities and quirks, preferences and phobias, and need to get individualized treatments. They don\u2019t live under standardized conditions in a lab, but spend the time outside the experiment with their (probably highly diverse) owners in different homes. And importantly, they can\u2019t be on a timeline \u2013 the decision to move on in the training schedule can\u2019t be based on the number of minutes that have passed, but on whether the animal has understood what is being asked, and is willing to play the game.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Can you teach a solid recall with a dog you don\u2019t know in 50 minutes?<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>The authors wrote: \u201cFor a fair comparison of the training techniques, we needed a protocol with a time frame matched across groups.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah&#8230; if that time frame were generous.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The problem is that we don\u2019t know whether the time they allotted was indeed fair. Perhaps the food-reward groups would have learned eventually, after 6, 60 or 600 sessions (although, since they were continuously self-reinforced by being allowed to chase the lure, I doubt that they ever would have). Perhaps, if skilled R+ trainers had been involved, they would have learned after 30 minutes? 90 minutes? 4 hours? 12?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I suspect that 5 sessions &#8211; 50 minutes of training &#8211; might not be enough to achieve the intended results with a completely naive dog unknown to the trainer. Full disclosure though: I\u2019ve never owned a dog, much less trained one to recall, so I really don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, we don\u2019t expect the different groups to learn within the same time frame \u2013 I would actually predict that the shocked dogs would learn this particular task quicker, due to <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Negativity_bias\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">negativity bias<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/link.springer.com\/article\/10.3758\/BF03200251\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">one-trial learning<\/a><strong>.<\/strong> Aversive conditioning works fast: animals quickly show suppressed behaviour and learn to avoid situations associated with pain. Appetitive conditioning for this type of scenario is, I expect, comparatively slower, since more repetitions will be needed. So, the experimental design needs to be based on an estimation of the time it will take to perform the (perhaps slower) appetitive conditioning on the R+ groups, not on the time to achieve the (perhaps faster) aversive conditioning on the shocked groups.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Some thoughts on the results<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>The shocked group was mostly shocked in session 1. It wasn\u2019t stated whether they still approached the lure during subsequent sessions but responded correctly to the word \u201cbanana\u201d or if they started avoiding the lure altogether, or when that transition happened. However, this was tested on the last day and found that the animals had indeed developed avoidance in the training arena (which in turn implies fear learning, an insidious welfare concern that wasn\u2019t mentioned in the paper).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-2.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"621\" height=\"404\" src=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7611\" srcset=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-2.png 621w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-2-300x195.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 621px) 100vw, 621px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The dogs trained during five or six sessions (50 versus 60 minutes of training in total), after which they were subjected to four tests on the final day.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>In the first test, the lure was deployed, and when the dog crossed the pre-determined threshold 23 meters away, they said \u201cbanana\u201d. The dog was noted successful if he then responded to the word or didn\u2019t cross the line, and unsuccessful if he chased the lure. All shock-trained dogs succeeded, all \u201cfood reward\u201d-trained dogs failed this test.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>In the second test, the lure was deployed, but they did <strong>not<\/strong> say \u201cbanana\u201d when the dog crossed the threshold line, and in test three the dogs were left alone in the training arena (I suppose the lure was deployed in test 3, even though it isn\u2019t stated.) In these two tests, the authors assume that by now, the animal should have learned that \u201cit\u2019s round about here that I hear the warning \/ recall, I had better not continue forward\u201d, or perhaps \u201cit\u2019s around this distance from the moving lure that I hear the warning \/ recall, I had better not continue forward.\u201d And while this might be true for the shocked dogs, the food-reward dogs had been hearing \u201cbanana\u201d every five seconds while running after the lure during training, so we can\u2019t expect them to have learned to expect a recall specifically at the threshold line. For that to have occurred, it would have to have been trained: we would have to have taught the animal that \u201cif I stop and then reorient to my handler at this location where I through massive repetition have learned to expect to hear a recall cue, I get treats\u201d. In other words, test 2 and 3 test the food-reward dogs for something they were never trained for &#8211; even if we assume that the basic training as described above had been successful and the dogs had started responding to the recall; it was not in the protocol. For the shocked dogs it\u2019s another story: this type of generalization is expected because of <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fear_conditioning\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">fear learning.<\/a> All shock dogs succeeded, all food reward dogs failed these two tests.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Test 4 took place in a novel arena with a novel lure, and mimicked test 1. Not surprisingly, the food-reward dogs failed this test and chased the lure \u2013 and so did 1\/3 of the shocked dogs \u2013 they did not respond to \u201cbanana\u201d.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>In my mind, test 4 is the really relevant one: will the dogs show behaviour that can literally save their lives and respond to a recall cue in a context for which they have not been trained? And it certainly would be interesting to see if dogs trained by skilled R+ trainers could top the 67% shown by shock-collar trained dogs in this study after 60 minutes of training.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also, two dogs were excluded from the study because the number of shocks they were given exceeded 20, which was what the ethical permit stated as a maximum. Simply reading the paper, this seems to imply that only 75% of shocked dogs succeeded, but on social media the second author has clarified that it was only in retrospect, after all training was concluded, that they realized that those individuals had received more than the allowed number of shocks and were therefore removed from analysis, but as far as I understood they had in fact completed the training and tests, and also learned the avoidance behaviour.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The \u201cwelfare measures\u201d<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>OK, so I brought the brackets back because I don\u2019t think that the authors successfully explored whether the animals\u2019 wellbeing was affected by the choice of training approach.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They filmed the animals during the training, and independent observers scored a range of different behaviours. Sidenote: the video coders were blinded \u2013 that, to me, is like putting a bandaid on a broken leg: it doesn\u2019t matter whether they were blinded or not since the set-up of the study was so fatally flawed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>As far as I can tell, behaviors were not coded or analyzed during intertrial intervals or outside of training sessions but only during the training or test sessions <em>when the lure was deployed<\/em>. This is a glaring omission as it&#8217;s not unreasonable to expect differences to be shown after the adrenal rush of the chase had subsided.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The ethograms didn\u2019t contain body language measures relevant to assessing distress, such as tail carriage, ear position, flinching or crouching. The behaviours possibly indicative of  reduced welfare measures were vocalizations, yawn, shake-off, and scratching \u2013 but apart from vocalizations, they occurred infrequently and were not analyzed. Hence, we don\u2019t know if those few behaviours were shown by the shocked or food-rewarded animals, and which moment in time they occurred in relation to relevant events such as shocks.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The fact that 33% of the shocked dogs would not approach a moving lure in a novel context is seen as a success by the authors. I see a <em>generalized<\/em> conditioned fear response \u2013 a huge red flag for future welfare problems and side effects not mentioned in the paper.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Also, they measured fecal cortisol, which in my mind is problematic in several ways:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>Cortisol is a measure of arousal and might indicate both positive and negative emotional states. Since the food-reward animals were allowed to chase the lure, I would expect a lot of positive emotional arousal, which is a potential confound.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Fecal cortisol gives a summary reading of the approximate level of arousal 24 hours before, so I\u2019m not even sure how I should read the figure below. Is the \u201cday 1 (exposure)\u201d data actually indicative of the animal\u2019s physiological state on day 1, or day 0? And how is an average of 24 hours even relevant \u2013 most of that time is uncontrolled since training only occurred 20 minutes per day? I would rather suggest looking at saliva cortisol within minutes of the potential stressor to see whether the arousal was different in the shocked versus non-shocked dogs around the moment when it matters, and if and how it abated in the shocked dogs (but see my first objection above).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-3.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"940\" height=\"563\" src=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-3.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7612\" srcset=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-3.png 940w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-3-300x180.png 300w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-3-768x460.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 940px) 100vw, 940px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Group A was the shocked group, and B and C the two food-reward groups.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>The authors write: \u201cOnly 9 of the 19 dogs provided a fecal sample on each study day: four from Group A, two of which were removed from analysis because of the exceeded shock levels; one from Group B; and four from Group C.\u201d If there\u2019s only one dog from the B-group then why are there standard error bars? Or is there a mix of dependent and independent data in the graph?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>I find this graph confusing &#8211; I\u2019d much rather have seen individual data points to get a gist of each individual\u2019s journey \u2013 and to know if those individuals shocked the most scored differently than those shocked fewer times.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>I\u2019m assuming the single Kruskal Wallis test reported compared the dogs\u2019 group mean cortisol values over all 5 days \u2013 and in such case if the stress effect of the first few day\u2019s shocks might have petered out \u2013 so in my mind this would not be a valid approach. Not that I even think the KW test is valid, seems that with sample sizes of 2-1-4 the test shouldn\u2019t even be attempted (statistics is not my strong suit, but the recommended <a href=\"https:\/\/support.minitab.com\/en-us\/minitab\/help-and-how-to\/statistics\/nonparametrics\/how-to\/kruskal-wallis-test\/before-you-start\/data-considerations\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">minimum sample size per treatment seems to be 5<\/a>).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The authors wrote: \u201cTo ensure that the dog did not develop any conditioned fear to the training arena beyond the avoidance of the lure, between sessions, the trainer and owner walked around the field, as needed, and encouraged the dog to move around.\u201d Which behaviours did they show (if any?) that indicated that walking the area was warranted? That\u2019s not explained in the study. But the fact that the shocked dogs chose not to cross the threshold line on the test day (tests 2 and 3) suggests that they had in fact developed conditioned fear to parts of the training area (presumably the locations where they had been shocked), despite this intervention.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Many of the breeds in the study have high prey drive, prone to instinctive chasing behaviour (hunting \/ herding breeds) \u2013 so not only does this study punish dogs for doing what they were explicitly bred to do, but these results might not be generalizable to the average dog population.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The authors write: \u201cwe were mindful of the concern of stimulation habituation that occurs when animals are exposed to gradually increasing shock intensities and were cognizant of the literature advocating for administering the most intense, punishing stimulus without causing damage.\u201d This to me is a welfare concern in and of itself: the setting is completely arbitrary and what is extremely painful to one dog might be barely noticeable to another: there\u2019s simply no way of knowing where on that scale that setting was for each individual. What we do know is that all the shocked dogs yelped in pain at some point during the training.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In short, neither the behavioural nor the physiological data collected was well designed to capture any short-term welfare related concerns \u2013 and the authors downplayed or ignored the welfare concerns that they did find. 100% of dogs yelping in pain, the results of tests 2 and 3 explained by fear learning as well as signs of generalized fear conditioning for some dogs. Also, 33% of them did not respond to \u201cbanana\u201d in a novel context. This to me implies that further shock training would be used to ensure higher reliability in the future, and in my mind, the insidious risk of going down that track is reduced long-term wellbeing when exposed to repeated stressors, as has been well documented in other studies. Animals may resiliently bounce back from the occasional and rare aversive experience, but chronic stress might set in if those stressors are too frequent or too severe. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Training with R+ doesn\u2019t carry all the well-documented fallout associated with the use of aversives, such as potential fear, aggression, apathy, learning difficulties, etc etc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The study is called &#8220;Comparison of the Efficacy and Welfare of Different Training Methods in Stopping Chasing Behavior in Dogs&#8221;. I think this is a misnomer \u2013 neither efficacy nor welfare was studied. \u201cShock collars hurt and may lead to generalized fear learning\u201d is the only reliable welfare-related observation we can make from this study.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now we\u2019re getting to what is to me the biggest problem with this study:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Conflict Of Interest.<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>The issue of whether to use shock collars on dogs is tremendously controversial, and the two camps involved in the discussion are both trying to prove to the \u201cother side\u201d that <em>their<\/em> approach is backed by science.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The authors declare no conflict of interest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They write: \u201cIn response to criticism of some prior studies, we used the same two trainers for all training conditions and, as far as practicable, designed protocols with single contingencies\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, the trainers would then need to be a) equally skilled in both approaches and b) not have a vested interest in the outcome of the study.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As we\u2019ve seen, the first prerequisite didn\u2019t hold, and in my opinion, the second doesn\u2019t either.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When a well-known balanced trainer eagerly promoting the use of shock collars, together with his mentee, carries out both the training of the shocked group as well as the two &#8220;food-reward&#8221; groups, my warning bells go off.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And he doesn\u2019t simply carry out the training as specified by the authors, the training set-up is specifically based on his recommendations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The main trainer is not neutral \u2013 he\u2019s biased. He has a vested interest in the outcome of the study, even if he\u2019s not one of the authors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And indeed, not only do they carry out the \u201cfood-reward\u201d training as a travesty that has every skilled R+ trainer scratching their head, they give the shock group unfair special consideration:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>They calibrate the shock for all the shocked dogs, assessing their individual motivational state. They do NOT calibrate the intended reinforcers for the individual food-reward dogs \u2013 they don\u2019t assess their motivational state. The authors write that some of the food-reward dogs in one of the groups \u201cstopped moving towards the lure on hearing \u201cbanana\u201d but did not return for the treat\u201d &#8211; this suggests that the treat wasn\u2019t reinforcing enough in that context, given the distractions and distance needed to travel to obtain the treat. Also, during the training phase, the authors write that one dog \u201c&#8230; either laid on top of the motionless lure and did not respond to \u201cbanana\u201d or laid at the starting point and did not follow the owner to approach the threshold line.\u201d This glaring failure is in my mind equivalent to an animal not responding to the shock collar \u2013 and yet nothing was done to help this dog be successful. Whatever they did, it is clearly not positive reinforcement.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They ensure that the shock groups understand which action is being punished by taking care to shock the dogs when they make contact with the lure. The food-reward groups don\u2019t ever learn which behaviour gets reinforced, apparently.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They walk the shocked dogs (and some of the food-reward dogs) in the arena to prevent fear learning and associated unwanted behaviour (although no data is given, we don\u2019t know whether this was done preventatively with all dogs or if they were showing actual avoidance behaviour that was addressed). They do NOT prevent the food-reward dogs from practicing the unwanted behaviour of chasing the lure \u2013 which is self-reinforcing and reduces the likelihood of them responding to the recall \u2013 the equivalent of an extinction trial. In my mind, they\u2019re setting the shocked dogs up to succeed, all the while setting the food-reward dogs up to fail.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Shocked dogs had one session more of training (six) than the food-reward dogs (five), since the conditioning (\u201cbanana\u201d equals treat) occupied their first session. The authors downplay this: \u201cThis may have placed Group A [shock] dogs at an advantage when they entered the tests but, given the magnitude of the differences in the performance of the three groups at the end of Training Session 5, this seems unlikely\u201d. I disagree: I would expect the shocked group to learn the behaviour relatively quickly, and the food-reward groups to catch on gradually (at least if the training was up to par) \u2013 but since their time was cut short they might have been at a disadvantage. The authors don\u2019t share the data from the different training sessions, so the reader has no way of knowing if any progress at all was made and if that final session might have added any value.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The authors write: \u201cWe designed our study around current trainer practices&#8221;. I would say that is blatantly untrue. Rather, they designed a biased study that showcased one approach while setting the other up for failure. Indeed, the blatant conflict of interest to me invalidates the entire study.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also, it seems to me that we need to rethink how to design such a complex task as a study comparing different training regimes. Indeed, there is a reproducibility crisis in the biomedical field, and the concept of standardization has lately been questioned; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/nmeth.1312\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">one solution seems to be heterogenization.<\/a> One such heterogenization tweak would perhaps be not to have one or two trainers train all the animals, but multiple trainers training multiple animals \u2013 this would put to rest the concern that one group of dogs may fare better because of a difference in two single trainers\u2019 skill at their craft.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The fallout of shock collar training<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>The aversives may \u201cwin\u201d in the short run, quickly stopping the unwanted behaviour in at least some dogs sometimes \u2013 but the potential fallout often comes later.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s troubling that the paper comes off as condoning, or even promoting, the use of shock collars \u2013 and doesn\u2019t do a good enough job of addressing all the inherent pitfalls.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019ve covered the possible <a href=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/punishment-problems\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">side effects of punishment<\/a> elsewhere, but I want to address the author\u2019s concern that shock-collar training can sometimes be life saving \u2013 when for instance a dog risks being run over by a car after running into the street.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And while I\u2019m not disputing that risk, this study implies that the only way to avoid that tragic outcome would be through shock-collar training \u2013 and I assume, the dog wearing a shock collar every time he\u2019s off leash, just in case he no longer responds to the call \u201cbanana\u201d &#8211; as was the case in 33% of shocked dogs tested in a novel arena.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I would turn the tables and say: rather than discuss the number of dogs who can potentially be saved from getting hit by a car through shock-collar training, the question we should ask is: how many dogs will be relinquished and euthanized <em>because of<\/em> shock-collar training?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I would suspect that number is on an altogether different order of magnitude. As any behavioural consultant or shelter will tell you, the fallout is huge (there\u2019s probably data out there somewhere, if someone will graciously point me to it I shall incorporate it ASAP).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The trainers conducting this study are renowned in their field and considered highly skilled at shock-collar training (but I must say that I find it really sad and disheartening that the animal isn\u2019t in any way acknowledged or rewarded for aborting the chasing behaviour) \u2013 and still, only 67% succeeded in doing a recall in a novel scenario, and all dogs yelped in pain when trained.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I can\u2019t imagine that a novice trainer would do better and achieve a higher success rate \u2013 quite the opposite.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Given the limited effectiveness, coupled with the ethical consideration and the documented risks associated with aversive training, I think aversive tools such as shock collars should be banned, not the least because of the risk of malfunction (apparently, it\u2019s not unheard of to find dogs having burn marks despite only having been exposed to the sound setting).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps if they were banned, trainers using shock collars would actually bother to learn how to go about training a reliable recall using R+ techniques..?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This poorly executed training does in no way, shape or form reflect the approach of a skilled R+ trainer. It&#8217;s like pitting a runner against a cyclist in a 400 meter race &#8211; without bothering to teach the person how to ride a bike. The comparison is deeply unfair and given how high the stakes currently are in the dog trainer universe, such appallingly inadequate training should not be used to settle the issue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-4.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"707\" height=\"413\" src=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-4.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-7613\" srcset=\"https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-4.png 707w, https:\/\/illis.se\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/09\/image-4-300x175.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 707px) 100vw, 707px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Finally, the journal in which this paper was published has been <a href=\"https:\/\/predatoryjournals.org\/news\/f\/is-mdpi-a-predatory-publisher\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">flagged as predatory<\/a> (charging publication fees without providing standard peer-review or editing services). Notably, the time from submission to publication was 25 days, which is extremely short. Given the many problems with this paper, I doubt that a proper peer review was done.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Despite the author\u2019s claims, it didn\u2019t convincingly demonstrate that shock-collar training doesn\u2019t compromise welfare, nor that R+ training is not effective.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.mdpi.com\/2076-2615\/14\/18\/2632?\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">This study<\/a> ought to never have been published \u2013 I think it should be retracted.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>***<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p id=\"rewardratherthanshock\">Edit: I&#8217;ve had people tell me that although they think reward-based training sounds interesting, they&#8217;re concerned that it might be impossible using reward-based training to train especially high-drive breeds- something that the skilled R+ trainer colleagues I&#8217;ve spoken to disagree with, saying it can <em>absolutely<\/em> be done. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Makes me think of that Chinese proverb: &#8220;Those who say it can not be done, should not interrupt those doing it.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Which brings us to Henry Ford&#8217;s: \u201cWhether you think you can, or you think you can&#8217;t \u2013 you&#8217;re right&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, if you&#8217;re among those thinking that it can&#8217;t be done, I invite you to suspend your disbelief and give it an earnest chance! \u2764\ufe0f<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sharing a video from Josefin Linderstr\u00f6m on some of her student&#8217;s dogs, including some of the training and before-and-after, and featuring a beagle\/mountain curr, an amstaff and a malinouis\/cattle dog among others, all of  whom had strong prey drive before training started. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-vimeo wp-block-embed-vimeo\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/1011135703?dnt=1&amp;app_id=122963\" width=\"489\" height=\"870\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; fullscreen; picture-in-picture; clipboard-write\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Credit to Josefin Linderstr\u00f6m and her students! Note: dog owners, not dog trainers!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Josefin does a <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.eventry.com\/Djurpedagogen-dopAlY\" target=\"_blank\">webinar called Tattle Training: turn triggers into cue<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eventry.com\/Djurpedagogen-dopAlY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">s<\/a> where she teaches these techniques. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Several other trainers specialize in helping overcome predatory behaviour. You may want to check out Simone Mueller&#8217;s <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/predation-substitute-training.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Predation Substitute Training<\/a>, or Alexis Davison from <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.unchase.com\" target=\"_blank\">UnChase<\/a>, also!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you found this interesting, you might consider signing up for my newsletter. I\u2019ll keep you posted on the odd blog post, podcast, online summit, webinar or Masterclass, all on the topic of animal emotions, learning, behaviour and welfare \u2013 and I\u2019ll also let you know whenever one of my full courses opens for enrolment!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I find the latest scientific contribution on the issue of shock collars to be frustrating \u2013 even outrageous. Lots of problematic articles are published every day, but this one potentially has far-reaching consequences, and so I feel a lengthy, occasionally nerdy and also somewhat rambling blog post is in order. 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